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Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race

This Week in AI

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Topics: AI | Product | Programming | Startups | Technology

Jeffrey Cannell from Nous Research, Steven Johnson from Google Labs, and Russ d'Sa from LiveKit discuss why AI agents got booed at graduations despite students using them most.

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Anthropic's Claude Opus 4.5 crossed the threshold where developers stopped writing code themselves, with one engineer spending $100,000 monthly on tokens because the output justifies it.

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Apple's Siri rebuild integrates Google's 1.2 trillion parameter Gemini model, but still suffers from unclear capabilities and transactional interactions rather than conversational flow.

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College students boo AI because they were promised knowledge work was the pinnacle, then watched entry-level jobs disappear as companies anticipate agent automation.

"We told everyone that knowledge work was the pinnacle of achievement in society." - Jeffrey Cannell