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Hermes Agent, NotebookLM & LiveKit Founders on the AI Agent Race

This Week in AI

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Topics: AI | Product | Programming | Startups | Technology

Jeffrey Cannell from Nous Research, Steven Johnson from Google Labs, and Russ d'Sa from LiveKit discuss why AI agents got booed at graduations despite students using them most.

Anthropic's Claude Opus 4.5 crossed the threshold where developers stopped writing code themselves, with one engineer spending $100,000 monthly on tokens because the output justifies it.

Apple's Siri rebuild integrates Google's 1.2 trillion parameter Gemini model, but still suffers from unclear capabilities and transactional interactions rather than conversational flow.

College students boo AI because they were promised knowledge work was the pinnacle, then watched entry-level jobs disappear as companies anticipate agent automation.

"We told everyone that knowledge work was the pinnacle of achievement in society." - Jeffrey Cannell